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hurricaneboy · Trimis: 29/01/2008 22:26 Titlul subiectului: Ce inseamna GAMENESS?

Fiindcă f multa lume m-a intrebat asta....Nu am o traducere in limba romana dar am sa incerc sa -i fac una .Deocamdata in engleza...

Gameness is a canine virtue that is most akin to the human virtue of unflagging courage. It is a determination to master any situation and never back down out of fear. It was developed in pit bulls by many generations of selective breeding. It is what allows a pit bull to keep fighting non-stop for two or more hours, in spite of broken bones, torn muscles, blood loss, dehydration, and exhaustion. But it is also valued by APBT owners who would never think of fighting their dogs. It is manifested in the can-do attitude of pit bulls toward any type of challenge, whether agility competitions, climbing up trees, or protecting their family against an armed attacker, etc. (Yes, check out Richard Stratton's books for photos of pit bulls actually climbing up the trunk of a big tree in order to nestle in the branches 15 feet off the ground.)

Generally speaking, a game dog is an emotionally stable, easy-going dog, especially good with kids. Gameness should not be confused with aggressiveness. There are plenty of aggressive dogs that are not game, and there are game pit bulls who are not aggressive toward other types of dogs. Aggressiveness will propell a dog into a fight but will only sustain him for the first few minutes. Gameness, on the other hand, will not necessarily make a dog fight-happy; but if the dog has no other choice but to fight, a game dog will fight until it wins or dies trying, and will keep going as long as necessary. Gameness is an inner quality of pit bulls. There is no way you can tell by looking at a pit bull whether it is deeply game or not. The only test--and for many years the main criterion for selecting a dog for breeding purposes--is actually fighting the dog to see how it stands up to other dogs that have likewise already proven their gameness in the pit. Dogs that are emotionally unstable, or that fear-bite human beings are generally not game. If you want a nice pit, you're generally better off getting one that has been game-bred. These dogs represent the truest exemplars of all the best qualities in the breed. Your questions about my post on the nature of "gameness" posed a couple of very good questions that I would like to try to answer.
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VaCaROZ · Junior Data inscrierii: 28/Iul/2008 Mesaje: 194

Working terrier breeds

Pertaining to working terriers and other small hunting dogs, earthdog trials are used to determine the dog's gameness in hunting dangerous pest species underground. The American Working Terrier Association currently offers a Certificate of Gameness (CG) title[2] as a basic instinct test (meaning that it is done without conditioning/training the dog, to see if the dog naturally exhibits gameness) for working terriers and daschshunds. In the past, the Irish Kennel Club required the now-discarded Teastas Mor certification for champion animals (intended for breeding) which involved "...showing gameness in attacking badgers. Five minutes is the minimum period a terrier shall be in contact with the badger, except when the terrier draws the badger in less time." "Drawing" meant pulling the badger out of the hole. The purpose of the Teastas Mor was to determine the dog's capabilities for work and fitness for breeding, not primarily for entertainment as in the blood-sports of baiting.

sursa wikipedia

Zoly · Data inscrierii: 22/Oct/2010 Mesaje: 77 Localitate: Zalau

Adica ce este? Curaj?

Beriadanwen · Trimis: 27/10/2010 15:00 Titlul subiectului:

Este determinarea cainelui de a face ceva. Eu asa vad acest gameness.

Un caine care sta atarnat de saculet in copac 2 ore sau care inoata 2 ore sau care alearga 2 ore sau care face ceva din determinare si nu renunta ( decat la comanda stapanului ) , pentru mine acel caine are gameness.
2 ore sunt putin dar e un numar arbitrar ... nu scrie nicaieri ca asta e timpul necesar sa-ti dai seama.
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Zoly · Data inscrierii: 22/Oct/2010 Mesaje: 77 Localitate: Zalau

gameness-ul este atributul ciinilor de lupta?sau este intilnit si la alte rase?

Beriadanwen · Trimis: 27/10/2010 16:34 Titlul subiectului:

Cred ca poate fi intalnit si la alte rase ... nu cainii de lupta , este un atribut specific terrierilor din cate stiu eu , pentru ca gameness trebuie si la vanatoare ...
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kng · Oldie Data inscrierii: 15/Feb/2008 Mesaje: 1539

O alta traducere si inteles este : Determinarea de a face ceva chiar si atunci cand sansele ii sunt impotriva .
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MariusM09 · Data inscrierii: 19/Apr/2010 Mesaje: 19

Beriadanwen · Trimis: 07/01/2011 02:30 Titlul subiectului:

Am mai gasit si urmatoarele daca intereseaza :

http://www.riospitbull.com/new_page_7.htm

si o discutie :

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100819151821AAbgrY0
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Breedist · Trimis: 07/01/2011 20:59 Titlul subiectului:

atata timp cat luptele au fost (si din pacate inca sunt) considerate sport sau mai bine zis "game", cred ca din punctul asta de vedere putem intelege cam ce inseamna "gameness". :-/

restul sunt abureli!
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VaCaROZ · Junior Data inscrierii: 28/Iul/2008 Mesaje: 194

"gameness" este un termen folosit cu ceva timp inainte sa apara rasa de azi cunoscuta apbt. apare la numeroase alte rase, in deosebit terrieri de vanatoare.
cei care foloseau acest termen la cainii de vanatoare era un sinonim cu determinarea cainelui de a duce treaba la bun sfarsit indiferent de consecinte, (care cred ca poate fi si caracterizarea gamnessului mai pe intelesul tuturor) adica de a prinde vanatul indiferent de consecinte
din ce am inteles englezii chiar dadeau si calificative la "game"ul fiecarui caine.
daca pe urma a fost adoptat si la rasa apbt e alta mancare de peste.

MariusM09 · Data inscrierii: 19/Apr/2010 Mesaje: 19

Breedist · Trimis: 08/01/2011 12:32 Titlul subiectului:

exista si acel "gameness" la alti terrieri, la vanatoare etc., asa cum s-a scris mai sus, mai ales daca stam sa ne gandim ca si vanatoarea tot un sport e considerata, caci de mult nu se mai vaneaza de foame etc.
dar cand vorbesti de gameness la apbt, e cu totul altceva, nici nu e loc de comparatii.
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VaCaROZ · Junior Data inscrierii: 28/Iul/2008 Mesaje: 194

MariusM09 si pe wikipedia scrie. incearca sa mai cauti pe google si ai sa ramai crucit sa vezi de cand apare termenul asta